Career Area: Writing and Storytelling

  • Winnifred Tataw

    Winnifred Tataw

    “Nurture your passion with persistence. Embrace the power of your unique voice, and remember that every story you tell is a bridge that unites us all. When we foster love and creativity, we create a world that thrives on connection and resilience. The world needs your art!” 

    Quick Facts

    Education: College of Charleston 

    Years of Experience: 15 Years of Experience

    About

    Winnifred Tataw is an author, artist, and book publisher based in the Low Country of South Carolina whose work is rooted in the belief that stories have the power to connect, inspire, and celebrate the full spectrum of human experience. As graduate of the College of Charleston with a background in Studio Art and Writing, she has spent fifteen years crafting work that blends personal narratives with universal truths, creating as she describes, “an inviting tapestry where every reader finds a piece of themselves.” 

    Her love for art and storytelling grew side by side from childhood, shaped by the joy of listening to her parents’ stories and the richness of her heritage. The two passions are so intertwined that she cannot say which came first, but both have always been essential. Remarkably, Winnifred began publishing her novels during her first year of college, setting an early tone for a creative life defined by courage and momentum. She notes that she aims to, “create stories and art that connect and inspire action while celebrating the beauty of the human journey.” 

    For emerging creatives, her message is both generous and clear: the world needs your art. Foster your love of craft with persistence, trust the distinctiveness of your voice, and understand that every story you tell is a bridge, one that unites people, builds resilience, and reminds us of our shared humanity. 

  • Yvette R. Murray

    Yvette R. Murray

    “Build your community and keep writing.”

    Quick Facts

    Level of Education: Undergraduate School

    Years of Experience: 40 Years

    About

    Yvette R. Murray is an award-winning writer whose poetry opens the doors of seminal Low Country history for anyone willing to turn the pages. Growing up within the Gullah Geechee community in Charleston, she disagreed with how her neighborhoods were being portrayed. It was then Murray decided to pick up the pen and paint the rest of the untold story.  

    When asked about her process, Murray simply stated, “we all have our quirks.” She emphasized building communities for young writers and aspiring poets, highlighting the importance of practicing the craft. “Writers write,” she says.

  • Deanna Taylor

    Deanna Taylor

    “Find ways to blend your passions and expertise into a story that transcends time and individual backgrounds.” 

    Quick Facts

    Level of Education: Graduate School

    Years of Experience: 2 Years

    About

    Deanna Taylor uses food and storytelling integrated into the world of arts, science, and entrepreneurship to blend generations while resurrecting the art of canning. During the pandemic, while watching squirrels in her backyard take one bite out of her fruit, she was inspired to research ways to keep the food from going to waste. Since then, Deanna has been producing jams, jellies, and preserves with the help of her family. 

    Throughout her journey, Deanna begun using “the jars of preserves to coach others into entrepreneurship while focusing on preserving their peace.” Along with her family, she now gets help from neighbors, church members, and other figures within her community, preventing as much fruit as they can from going to waste. At the end of the process, Deanna utilizes the preserves for storytelling, gives back to those who donated, and even makes a profit.

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  • Ellen Harrison

    Ellen Harrison

    “Grow your vision. Water it with faith. Stretch toward the light of purpose. In time, you won’t chase victory—you’ll become it.”  

    Quick Facts

    Level of Education: Undergraduate School

    Years of Experience: 30 Years

    About

    Ellen Harrison, author of High Notes of Poetry: Finding Your Courage, has been writing for almost 30 years. She fell in love with the craft while in high school and has not looked back since.  

    Recently, Ellen was named the recipient of the “Author on the Rise Award” at the Global Gamechanger Author Awards, hosted by the Pen and Profit Organization. Primarily a poet, her writing practice focuses on transmuting freedom, emotion, and intention through every pause, line break, and silence. Additionally, she was presented with the “Best Poetry Book Award” at the Black Girls Who Write Literary Awards, sponsored by Spotify for Authors.  

    She remarks how the craft is an unusual one, with how personal and universal it is simultaneously. Ellen mentions how she “can write from [my own] lived experiences, yet someone else, somewhere else, can read those same words and feel seen.” For her, poetry bridges the gap, not just through surface level communication, but connecting people across the world.  

    Ellen attributes her love of poetry for its ability to ‘say so much with so little.’ “I listen more than I force,” she says. “I pay attention to rhythm, to feeling, to the unspoken. Poetry often begins where ordinary language falls short, giving voice to what is difficult to explain directly.”  

  • Angela Thomas Smith

    Angela Thomas Smith

    “Stay true to your authentic voice, and don’t be afraid to share your story even if it feels imperfect or unfinished.” 

    Quick Facts

    Education Level: Graduate School

    Years of Experience: 6-7 Years

    About

    Angela Thomas Smith, CEO and founder of Queen of Collaborations, works across writing, publishing, storytelling, and podcasting to create platforms that empower individuals and amplify underrepresented voices. Her work focuses on connecting people, sharing untold stories, and building spaces where creativity becomes a tool for transformation and community impact. 

    Her journey into this field was shaped by personal experience and resilience. She shares, “Life experience is what truly led me to this work. After overcoming personal challenges and setbacks, I realized I needed a new beginning…that personal transformation inspired me to help others do the same and set me on the path to empowering, uplifting, and connecting people through my platform.” 

    The uniqueness of her work comes from how she blends authorship, advocacy, event production, and community-building. She explains, “I blend authorship, advocacy, event production, and community-building to create spaces where overlooked voices are celebrated and empowered. I don’t just publish books or host events; I intentionally connect people…My process is deeply collaborative, spiritually guided, and centered on leaving a legacy of hope and transformation for generations to come.” 

    Angela emphasizes authenticity and growth in the creative journey. She encourages emerging creatives to stay grounded in their voice, embrace continuous learning, and surround themselves with supportive communities. She highlights the importance of resetting when needed and recognizing that each individual perspective holds value. She also believes strongly in the role of creativity in human expression and development, stating that the arts are essential across all stages of life and that creativity is a fundamental part of who we are. 

  • Ronald J. Rossmann Jr.

    Ronald J. Rossmann Jr.

    “Create relentlessly, and don’t be afraid to fail. Failure isn’t the opposite of success; it’s a necessary part of it.”

    Quick Facts

    Years of Experience: 10 Years

    About

    A writer, director, and producer with ten years of experience, Ronald J. Rossmann Jr. Is the Owner and Creative Director of Be Your Own Hero Productions, LLC, a York, SC-based independent film and storytelling company. His passion for science fiction and horror was ignited in his early years by his uncle who cemented Ronald in classic genre films such as “Thing from Another World” and “Forbidden Planet”. Though he spent years crafting stories privately, it wasn’t until Ronald’s late thirties and forties that he began sharing his work with the world. 

    His filmmaking journey began with a web series shot in a single take for its first two seasons, eventually expanding to over forty episodes. He then moved into feature filmmaking, starting with a fan film before writing and directing his first full-length horror feature, “You’re It”. For Ronald, storytelling is not just a passion; it is essential. He describes it as “a lifeline” he cannot imagine existing without. What sets his creative process apart is a deep investment in developing complex, authentic characters audiences can genuinely connect with. From there, the story reveals itself. “In many cases, the characters begin to guide me,” he says, “revealing their choices, their struggles, and the paths they’re meant to take.” 

    One of the most meaningful aspects of Ronald’s journey is the origin of Be Your Own Hero Productions. It began as a cosplay collective, a group of performers dedicated to appearing at charity events and community functions, always fully in character and committed to creating immersive, joyful experiences. The mission: to bring heroes, hope, and smiles to people who need it most. Over time, those bonds and that shared creative spirit carried over into filmmaking. The name was born from a period in Ronald’s own life when he had to find a way through darkness. With the mission to bring light to other, he often reflects, “Sometimes you must be the one to stand up, to push forward, and to pull yourself out of the darkness.” 

    Outside of filmmaking and writing, Ronald serves as COO of a major staffing firm. He draws a clear distinction between the two sides of his life; the first building futures for others and the second producing worlds from the inside out. He encourages emerging creatives to understand their own capacity, receive and apply constructive criticism, develop the skill of self-editing, and above all, avoid comparing themselves to others. “This isn’t a competition,” he says. “It’s a craft.” 

  • Silas Rowland 

    Silas Rowland 

    “The creatives who grow the most are the ones who stay curious, humble, and willing to get better with every project.” 

    Quick Facts

    Education Level: High School

    Years of Experience: 17 Years

    About

    An independent filmmaker, writer, and producer, Silas Rowland’s imagination has always searched for a creative outlet. What began as brainstorming novel ideas with his younger brother eventually led him to the camera, which became his go-to creative outlet.  

    Growing up, he experimented with cameras by creating skateboard videos. He realized he could channel his passion for storytelling through the camera in order to visually bring his stories to life. His YouTube channel, sighlus, has over one thousand subscribers, and highlights his 2025 independent horror film, “All That is Evil.” 

    For Silas, filmmaking is more than just a set of rules and techniques: it is experimental and expressive. He attributes the practice’s unique ability to create various forms of art, rendering it ‘inherently subjective.’ “Two filmmakers can approach the exact same story in completely different ways, and both can be valid and powerful,” he says, “That freedom to explore ideas, take creative risks, and translate imagination into something visual is what makes the job both unusual and incredibly rewarding.”  

    Silas encourages emerging filmmakers to embrace their inner self-critic as a tool for growth and improvement. It is not meant to “sabotage your confidence, but to constantly evaluate what you’re making, learn from it, and keep pushing yourself to improve.” From pen and paper to the camera, he aims to tell stories that not only connect with people, but prompt different pathways of thinking, feeling, and seeing.  

  • Ronda Taylor

    Ronda Taylor

    In this episode, we’re exploring what it means to find your voice with poet, storyteller and publisher Ronda Taylor as a writer and program director at Youth Empowerment services in Charleston, South Carolina, Ronda has leaned on her creative passions to uplift and connect with her community.

    Transcript

  • Caleb Wygal

    Caleb Wygal

    “It’s just, it’s so gratifying to me to be able to just have that privilege to be able to entertain people like that” 

    Mystery author Caleb Wygal turns personal tragedy into literary triumph through the Myrtle Beach Mysteries series. 

    Interview

    Transcript

    Caleb Wygal Interview Transcript 

    March 2025 

    Nora Smith 00:00 

    Okay, so to start, what do you do for work, and where are you currently working from?  

    Caleb Wygal 00:06 

    So, I’m an author. I write mystery novels, Myrtle Beach mysteries. And I work from my office, coffee shops, or breweries, but typically from my home office. 

    Nora Smith 00:16 

    And where is that in South Carolina? (Surfside Beach) Cool, cool, great area. How long have you been working there? And your official job title is… 

    Caleb Wygal 00:28 

    I have been an author for almost 20 years. Full-time for the past three years. And my official job title is just author. 

    Nora Smith 00:38 

    Super cool, awesome. What’s one thing you love about working as a creative in South Carolina compared to other locations? 

    Caleb Wygal 00:49 

    Compared to other locations I love… so when I started writing, I lived in the upstate of South Carolina, in Greenville. We moved to Concord, North Carolina for 15 years after that, and we’ve been in Surfside Beach – Myrtle Beach area for about five years now. What I love about being in this area compared to other areas, is that whenever I want to get out of my home office to write, I can go to the beach, pop down a chair, sit by and watch the ocean, and type and make up stuff. Yeah, that’s a big, big, big step up from where I was before, just being stuck inland.  

    Nora Smith 01:35 

    I can see that. And what does South Carolina bring to your work? Has it had any sort of influence on your writing at all?  

    Caleb Wygal 01:45 

    It’s had all the influence on my writing because I write Myrtle Beach mysteries. They wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for South Carolina. So, I mean, I’ve written before I started the Myrtle Beach mysteries. I’ve written mystery novels, a couple action-adventure novels, and basically, I just did that as a hobby. Well, once I started writing the Myrtle Beach mysteries, and I got to book three, that’s when I was selling enough copies that I was able to make a living off of it. So, if it weren’t for South Carolina and Myrtle Beach, I would probably just be doing social media marketing and website development for small businesses. 

    Nora Smith 02:27 

    How did you come up with an idea? What brought you to write about the Myrtle Beach mysteries? 

    Caleb Wygal 02:33 

    I’ve always been interested in mystery novels, and when we moved down here, my main job then was to take care of our son. I was a stay-at-home dad, and I would do social media marketing, website development, and whenever he was sleeping, I would write whenever I had a spare moment between all that.  

    We moved down here. He was three. He needed his afternoon naps, and I needed his afternoon naps to maintain my sanity. So, I put him in the back of the car every day we drive up and down Ocean Boulevard about every day. I could see the ocean and coast to classical music. He would sleep for an hour or so, and I just drove back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And it was during one of these trips, I had the idea for this mystery series, set there, set here in Myrtle Beach, and we went home. I did some research, came up with the character, pitched it to Paul Bucha, and they told me to stop working on what I was doing and do this instead. 

    Nora Smith 03:33 

    Wow, so cool. That’s super interesting. Wow. What a great start. So how would you describe your local professional community down in Surfside? 

    Caleb Wygal 03:48 

    Well, I mean, really, there’s authors. I’ve found authors; other authors are scattered all over the Grand Strand from Garden City to Murrells Inlet to Calabash and on into North Carolina. There’s a much stronger author network here than there was where we lived outside of Charlotte, and I’ve found that out. You know? I regularly have coffee, I had lunch with another author earlier today, because it’s a much more supportive community among each other, and we try to help each other out, and I help others where I can. 

    Nora Smith 04:28 

    It’s great. That’s a great community to work with. How would you define professional or personal success in your creative endeavors? 

    Caleb Wygal 04:41 

    Professional success – I define it, for me in my station in life is being able to pay the mortgage payment and the car payments. If I can sell enough books that I can do that, then that to me, that’s everything. Yeah, we’re not worried about that. But personally, I enjoy being able to just tell stories to give readers an escape from their lives. And I love hearing readers tell me how much they enjoy the characters and stories and how surprised they were when something crazy happens and just their reactions to.  

    I love hearing readers say that they have never read books before, but they wanted to start reading this series. So, they started reading the series. I’ve had people tell me they’ve used the books to learn English as a second language. I’ve had people tell me that they have been in the hospital for long stays, and they’ve read the book series as a way to make it through their long hospital stays and recovery periods. And it’s just so gratifying to me to be able to have had that privilege to be able to entertain people like that. 

    Nora Smith 06:04 

    Yeah, that sounds awesome. That’s so cool using your books to learn a second language. I would be so taken back if someone said that to me. 

    Caleb Wygal 06:14 

    I had a woman, I think last year, I think it was her. She reached out to me; said she was from Peru. And she married a guy who lives somewhere in the upstate of South Carolina, and when she moved here, she started trying to learn English. Her husband gave her one of my books, and she read them all, and she said, “Your books helped me learn English.” I’ve had a Russian friend who did some work around our house, and I know he takes English lessons, and he asked me one day, “Can I use your books to learn English? My English teacher told me to read American books.” So, I gave him some books. 

    Nora Smith 07:01 

    That’s so cool. What was your biggest fear when you decided to pursue a career in the arts? 

    Caleb Wygal 07:13 

    My biggest fear was that nobody would like it, nobody would buy it, and therefore I wouldn’t be able to do what I do. But that’s always the risk you take when you put yourself out there like that. 

    Nora Smith 07:30 

    Could you define a sort of defining moment in your creative journey, something that happened and you were like, wow, this is it? Like, “I really did this,” and kind of taken back about it, about what you could create? 

    Caleb Wygal 07:47 

    Oh wow. There’s several that pop into mind.  

    Nora Smith 07:52 

    Give them all. Give as many as you’d like.  

    Caleb Wygal 07:59 

    So, I’ve been on TV probably a couple dozen times by now. And do you know who Greg Rolls is? So, he headlined the Alabama theater for 20 years, and he has his own theater now in North Myrtle Beach. He’s in local commercials. He has a daytime talk show on the local Fox affiliate. And when I started writing the second book, I wanted the victim to be somebody who was well known in Myrtle Beach, was on billboards and TV, and because it was a main character at a large-scale dinner theater show, they were the victims. I based the victim on a younger version of Greg Rolls. I never met the man before, and so about three months after the book came out, I was invited back. I was invited to a media event at a local restaurant that was about to open. They wanted to have people come in, influences in the community, to maybe talk about the restaurant. I don’t know if you’re familiar with 1229 Shine in the Market Common. 

    Nora Smith 09:31 

    It sounds familiar to me. I feel like I’ve definitely seen or heard of it before, right?  

    Caleb Wygal 09:37 

    If you go, drive past Barnes and Noble down that street, behind it. Okay, yeah, there’s the building that has a big scuba diver mural on it. So, they invited my wife and I to go there for a media event, and there’s 10 people there total, and in the middle of the restaurant, there is this huge bar. My wife and I were on one side of the bar in the middle, and two women over in the far corner. And throughout our dinner, I kept seeing those women looking over at us. And whenever we left, my wife said, “I’m going to use the restroom.” So, my wife goes the restroom, the two women follows her into the restroom, and I’m waiting for like 10 minutes for her to come out. When she comes out, the two other women are behind her, and they’re dying laughing. And it turned out that the Fox TV station is right behind that restaurant, and the two women work for Greg Rolls, and told him the story about how I’d used him as a victim, as inspiration for a victim in one of the books.  

    So, they invited me to come on the show. And I said, “I will come on, provided you do not tell Greg anything about this story. You can tell him who I am, but don’t tell him the story.” And so, a couple weeks later, it’s a live show. They invited me there for such and such dates. I came into the studio, Greg came up, introduced himself to me, he said, “I just learned your name 10 minutes ago. I don’t know anything about you, but we’ll wing it. We’ll figure it out.” He said, “My producer gave me some notes, whatever.” And so, whenever it comes time for the interview, to interview me. He said we’re on live TV, and he looks down at his notes. He said, “My producer says there’s something about me, to do with one of your most recent books, and what was it?” And I said, “Well, I looked to my wife while I was figuring out who was going to be the victim in this novel. And we were watching television one day, and you came on the screen, I looked at my wife and I said, what if somebody like him?” And I pointed right at him; you wash up dead with a sword plunged through your chest one day.  

    People kind of came out of their offices to watch this, I guess they knew it was going to happen, and he looked at the camera, “Did you kill me,” like, no, I didn’t kill you. I killed somebody like you, but, but after that, it kind of went viral in the area, and that’s really when the book started to take off. It was after that interview, because you can find it on YouTube. That was a big moment. I’ve been on there probably six, seven or more times. They just liked the way that he and I went back and forth together.  

    Another one, and probably one of the most rewarding ones, was last year. My son was at elementary over next to Prestwick. I met one of the teachers at a book signing, and she invited me to come speak to her class, her fourth-grade class. Well, the fourth-grade class, there’s four different classes in fourth grade, and they said, once you come in, talk to the students. And so, I go in whenever they want me to come, and they lead me to their small gym. And there’s 150 kids in there just waiting to hear me speak. And it was just so many smiling little precious faces. They were so eager to hear me speak, and I gave my little speech, and we played a little game about using your senses to solve mysteries. They wanted me to sign little pieces of paper so I could give my autograph and that was just the best.   

    I’ve spoken in front of crowds of, you know, 60 to 100 people and it always just amazes me that people enjoy the series, they want to hear me talk about the books. And it’s just a rewarding thing that I never thought would happen in my life, because 25 years from this past Sunday, 25 years ago, I was in a car accident where I had a severe brain injury. I was just out of high school. I hadn’t started college or anything, and I had to relearn how to walk, how to talk, how to write my own name. Again, I never set foot in a college classroom until a couple years ago, whenever I taught a mystery writing class for Alli at Coastal.  

    Nora Smith 14:48 

    Wow, that is so inspirational.  

    Caleb Wygal 14:52 

    They told me I would never be able to work a full-time job or do any hard labor or anything like that. If you know me, where I’m coming from, where I’ve been to get to this point where I can go talk to groups of people and entertain people just by just making stuff up. I mean, I couldn’t have asked for more. If the car accident hadn’t happened, I wouldn’t have asked for a better career. 

    Nora Smith 15:20 

    Wow. That’s a really cool story. Well going sort of off the last question, in a sense, what was the best and worst advice you’ve ever received in your career? 

    Caleb Wygal 15:40 

    Oh, that’s a good one. Instead of writing standalone books, write a series and have the books connect, like each book has its own self-contained story or mystery, but I have a storyline that connects them all together. And so, I went from writing individual books before I came up with this series idea where I had the main character trying to figure out, through the course of the series, what happened to his wife. Because his wife died two years before the series started, and he always thought it was of natural causes, but he learns through the course of the first book that it wasn’t natural causes. And so, he’s spent the next six, seven books trying to figure out what happened to his wife, and that was really what drew readers in, more than just individual mysteries. The best advice I’ve gotten is to write a series.  

    There’s a lot of bad advice out there. There’s a time where I spent a lot of money on something, I’m thinking about doing this again, because I’m just, I’m just a glutton for punishment. I spent $700 on a billboard advertisement that just got crickets and by that, I mean, that’s a lot of money for somebody like me, because I’m not John Grisham, I’m not some of these really big-name authors. I don’t have a lot of extra money to spend on advertisements like that, so I’ll put down $700 on a billboard ad for a month that did nothing, and then that came off to the advice of another author said, “Hey, I’ve done billboards where I live, and they work.” Well, good for you, probably because there’s so many billboards here in Myrtle Beach, nobody pays attention. They just end up being background noise. That was one of the worst pieces of advice, to get a billboard. 

    Nora Smith 18:05 

    Well, that’s unfortunate you spent that much money on that. 

    Caleb Wygal 18:09 

    Now you learn, and I am thinking about doing it again because I have another book coming out in May.  It takes place at the Legends Theater where you have all these impersonators, celebrity impersonators like Elvis Presley, Dolly, Parton, Tina Turner, The Blues Brothers, and Michael Jackson. So, they go to the theater, and somebody collapses on stage and dies. And that’s what they’re trying to figure out. 

    Nora Smith 18:35 

    Exciting! I’m going to have to read these books. I’m from New Hampshire, so I’m not originally from here, so I’ve never heard of them, and I’m very intrigued. 

    Caleb Wygal 18:47 

    You can get them at every bookstore in Myrtle Beach. 

    Nora Smith 18:52 

    Lovely. I will definitely have to read them, especially the new ones coming out. That’s basically all I have. Are there any questions that you wish I had asked at all? 

    Caleb Wygal 19:03 

    No. So when I go and give an author talk, I already know a lot about what I’m going to talk about. I’ve done it so much, and a lot of what I just gave you ends up being in my author talks.  It ends in some shape or form or order or whatever. I can’t think of much that you didn’t go over. Oh, maybe, like, how I really started writing books.  

    Okay, so basically, like I told you, with the car accident, I wasn’t able to work full time jobs, especially the first couple years after that. But my uncle owned a hearing aid office in Greenville, on the upside of South Carolina, and I worked for him for a while. Basically, I would sit in his office, behind a computer or behind a desk. This is 2003 or 2004. I would answer phone calls, schedule appointments for them, change hearing aid batteries and clean out the wax from hearing aids. But it was a really slow job. So, I read a lot of books. And I read so many books, I started to read in front of clients, and he told me one day that I couldn’t read books anymore because it didn’t look good for him or his business if I read books all the time.  

    So, there’s a computer on the desk, like I said 2003-2004, and it was not hooked up to the internet. There was no such thing as Facebook or social media or anything like that. There were no smartphones and so all he had on that computer was Microsoft Paint, Microsoft Word, and scaling software. So, I started writing short stories and here we are, 20 years later. That’s basically how it all started, out of boredom. 

    Nora Smith 20:58 

    Wow, that’s awesome. Well, I’m glad you had that question, because I did not have that written down, but yeah, that’s basically it. Do you have any professionals in the creative field that you’d like to nominate to be interviewed? And if nothing comes to mind right now, I’m going to send an interview press release form later, and there’ll be a little form you can write someone in. So, no worries. 

    Caleb Wygal 21:25 

    Somebody that might be interesting for you to talk to, her name is Kelly Burton. Kelly Capriotti Burton, another fellow author who originally moved to the area with her husband. It’s been like 10 to 15 years since they’ve moved here. But they came to start a theater where the Hollywood Wax Museum is, they were going to have a theater there. It was the Pat Boone theater. I don’t know some gospel musician or something like that, there was going to be a theater there. So, she and her husband, upped their family from Chicago, moved to Myrtle Beach, got in to start getting ready to start the theater, and before the theater opened, they shut it down. You must ask her.  

    She and her husband are both very, very in tune with the arts. He has a band. Her daughters are both in dance school. Performing arts, stuff like that. And she writes books as well. So, she’s somebody who’s multi-talented, and owns a business too. Have you ever heard of the Black Dog Running Company? They have one business in downtown Conway and another one on Farrows Parkway. But she owns that with another friend of hers, and she’d be a good person for you to talk to.  

    Nora Smith 23:03 

    Great! I wrote down her name. 

    Caleb Wygal 23:06 

    I can whenever we get off here, I’ll send you her email address. 

    Nora Smith 23:09 

    Okay, great. That’d be awesome. 

    Caleb Wygal 23:13 

    She’s somebody who’s super creative.